Andrea Kaus (ChaosGraphics)on Nov 16
I think it's a great shot of the little boy, full of motion at a moment of pause. I agree with Sean that 1) I love telephoto compressed shots that collapse the depth a bit, and 2) maybe cropping the pole a bit would help. But all in all, it's a great street scene. People are hard. I know -- I'm an anthropologist. I agree with what Ginger says. I sometimes let people see what I have already done and if they want, offer to send them a 4x6 if a shot turns out. I don't say that as if it were a business proposition, only that I'm trying to improve my skills but I'd be happy to share what I get.
KurtPrestonon Nov 15
For the second time this week .. ditto Tom :) It does seem a touch too bright to me, but that may also just be my monitor.
sherstone.comon Nov 15
on second thought the pole may cause too much distraction if left in the frame. I would have to try it to know.
sherstone.comon Nov 15
Wow - I'm surprised, I personally love several things about this photo - First of all I am quite excited to see you venture into new territory Kim, I see you pushing yourself to try new things and that part is the most enjoyable. Now the photo... I am a big big fan of telephoto compressed look images in both landscapes, and people pictures. I don't really know why I like that look but I always have. You have managed to compress a good fair slice of this town in this image. You have captured not only the town but a small cute moment in time. Yes it's busy but for some odd reason I like it being that way. (no I'm not trying to state a case for my busy shot ;-)) Overall I really like what you did and agree with TomL on this one. ---- Now we move onto what would I have done... I can't really say I would have done very much - if anything I would crop out the cars on the left leaving the pole in the frame.
gingeron Nov 15
How wide is your widest lens??? Telephotos really do emphasize business, they compress things, etc. If you only have a telephoto, I don't see how you could do this shot perfectly. But going across the street, or something, something so it is the boy and what he is looking at. I think you could do this with a cheap 50mm 1.8 lens. People swear by that lens, and I think it would have worked for you. It is under 100.00.
Then, yes, some people absolutely do not want their children photographed, some people do not want to be photographed. But to do this successfully, I would try to develop a method that works for you in photographing people, most people, that does not make them run for cover. Smile a lot. Point to your camera, smile, talk about how gorgeous everything is, how cute the kid is, just one photo, etc. Give them a card (get some with your smugmug addy and e-mail addy), give them the card, I usually do it after the fact, Bill hands out my cards as I am shooting. But emphasize that you will GIVE them a copy if they e-mail you as to where to send it or e-mail it. I only offer to e-mail a copy.
If they want to know what you are doing it for, they really are asking if their photo will be in the paper. I tell them I belong to a group and we do a photo a day. I don't mention the internet, but my web site is on the card. I do not at this point ask for releases. I would not either if I were you. I think it takes practice to just learn how to "talk" to these people, and I would not add the stress of releases.
This is probably long enough. If you don't have a lens as wide as a 50, I would buy that 1.8 Canon lens, ask anyone, they love it, and it is for very low light, too. (I hate it, but that is a different story, it would work well for you.)
Anymore, ask me. Really, you cannot do it with a telephoto. I keep my 70-200 on if I expect people at the birding places, but even that would have been too long for this shot. That compression factor confuses things. Oh, also, you don't want the whole town in focus, unless the subj is the whole town.
1) you need a diff lens, and 2) you have to want that shot so bad that you will risk extreme embarrassment to get it. Not permission, not even cooperation, but acceptance from the subjects. Smile. Oh, get down on the kids level. Also sitting on the ground you might appear less threatening. (play dead, joke!) ginger
LSon Nov 15
http://butterflites.smugmug.com/gallery/1359528-- here is where I posted my crop of your photo- will only keep it up a few hours today
As you asked for more feedback, here goes! The shot does not work for me as a "people" shot, as I find so much other stuff happening in the photo, my eye does just not find the people easily.
I find candid people shots to be extremely challenging to take, for many of the reasons you already listed: having the wrong lense at the right time, clutter around the primary focus, people becoming aware of me and shifting the pose completely. Sometimes, it takes moving around quite quickly to get to framing the shot with the background that will highlight what I want to be the focus.
However, I think it is a really neat shot!! The thing that is interesting to me about this shot is the neat perspective of the town that I get from the signs that show in the right of the photo. Here is my crop highlighting the cool variety of offerings on the main street!
I enjoy your shots and hope that my feedback will be taken in the way it is given: out of pure love of the art of photography!!
LS to you!!
Mom4squirrelson Nov 15
Dear LS and others who care to discuss my crop and the focal point of this picture...I appreciate your observations on the crop, angles and busyness of the picture. I do not have a wide angle lens yet, so in it's absence I am interested in knowing how you would have cropped this better and what parts are not particularly well done. I don't have much people photo experience so I am open to your suggestions so I can improve. I have just posted the original of this shot for you to see what I DID do to improve it. It is the last one in the gallery...thanks for your input...Kim
LSon Nov 15
I keep coming back to this to give you some feedback. my attention went to the little boy only because you pointed him out to me as a focus in your description. so, if in fact, he is your point of interest, as the photograoher, and you want me to see him, as the viewer, the crop needs to come in closer. bringing the crop in closer is problematic, as the background shows the UPS man. I don't see, as a viewer, that the boy is looking at the decorations (you know more than we do).
the photo is somewhat interesting as a city street scene, altho, I'm not wild about the cars and street signs.
what may be interesting as a second attempt to capture this neat town is to do a wide angle shot of just the shop signs- the psychic (from the second shot) all the way down to coffee sign. also, the church window with street light looks like a potential neat closely cropped shot. LS
Mom4squirrelson Nov 15
Thanks for the nits Ginger, but I don't own a wide angle lens yet, so I took this with a telephoto and cropped it forward to make the little boy more the center of attention. I kind of thought it illustrated the busyness of the city, when I cropped more out of it it lost it's interest value to me...but I do appreciate the nits and it is something I will watch out for in the future. Any suggestions on what you would have done in my situation without the wide angle? Also, I was trying not to be too obvious in taking the photo...Dad spotted me and went behind the tree as you saw in the one photo...
gingeron Nov 15
oh, gosh, MOM. I love you, I do! I like this photo, but "nits" for the board. It is busy, hard to pick out the subject that really is cute. Also, it and the others have that telephoto compressed look. Wide angle and close, now that would have been better, I am sure. Andy would say the same! ginger